CHEVALINE … SAAD AL-HILLI … SYLVAIN MOLLIER … MURDER MOST FOUL … (PART 13)

In three days it will be a year since this shooting at the place named Chevaline here in France and in which four people died and a child was severely injured. Without it being the intention I have started an on-line discussion about this foul slaughter of ‘innocent’ people which, alas, remains unsolved. One of […]

In three days it will be a year since this shooting at the place named Chevaline here in France and in which four people died and a child was severely injured.

Without it being the intention I have started an on-line discussion about this foul slaughter of ‘innocent’ people which, alas, remains unsolved.

One of our commentators – Lars – has done a most informative summary of the case, known here in France as ‘L’Affair Chevaline’. You will find it here.   Do read it. You will not be able to comment in that thread, but would have to come to comment here on this thread.

You can also read down below what I’ve written about this case up to today and the very interesting comments by over 100 commentators.

here – September 6, 2012

here – September 8, 2012

here – October 25, 2012

here – November 7, 2012

here – December 9, 2012

here – March 3, 2013

here – April 20, 2013

here – May, 31, 2013

here – June 16, 2013

here  – July 1, 2013

here – July 17,2013

here – July 30, 2013

 

Saad Al-Hilli

Saad Al-Hilli

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marilyn Z. Tomlins

817 Responses to “CHEVALINE … SAAD AL-HILLI … SYLVAIN MOLLIER … MURDER MOST FOUL … (PART 13)”

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  1. 817
    Marilyn Z. Tomlins Says:

    I think you all are wondering when Marilyn will open a new thread.

    Here it is

    NEW THREAD

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    Peter Says:

    @ Eugene, 9-19-2013 at 14:36:58

    I suspect that Pierre Morange, reputedly the instigator behind the family’s “vow of silence” strategy, asked the gendarmes nicely 😉

    Anyway, I doubt that UK tabloids could be cowed into silence by the French police. In fact, some (the Daily Fail, IIRC) did publish what they thought was SM’s photo, although it showed the wrong SM. Thus, I believe that pressure has been brought to bear on SM’s relatives and friends who possess photos of him, rather than on the media. All very friendly, of course: a little visit from the local police to let them know that both the bereaved family and the authorities would frown upon any photos of SM being released, plus the threat of a civil suit being brought and damages sought by the family if any such photos were released, plus all the multifarious hazards generally associated with pissing off the police …

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    Eugene Says:

    @ Peter

    You’re right. Authorities didn’t declare embargo. They asked “nicely”. My mistake. I still wonder why.

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    Max Says:

    @partlucid Re X5 etc

    Short answer … Yes:)

    I have the impression (could be wrong of course) that the LR call is a fairly recent ‘development’ and that this somehow gets SM back in focus again.

    It seems (to me) that the JMD/LP reveal raised some eyebrows even within the journo community, prolly because EM had informed them ‘off the record’ and EM replied that this (reveal) was ‘not the way to go’. To me this indicates that the LR phone has some weight to it, although it seems like they still want to ‘explain away’ the importance.

    My .02 cents

    – M

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    Lynda Says:

    @James, I said ‘a’ not ‘the’.

    “James 9-18-2013 at 22:10:10 @lLynda With all due respect….. “Lars has already pointed out that there are more things on a mobile phone than just logged calls” You are missing the point. And by quite some margin. 1. Lars does not “know” what is or isn’t on that phone. 2. It does not essentially have anything to do with Mollier’s received calls. I could explain further.”

    All getting fractious again, I still think, as I’ve said before, either SM target or NO target at all.

    It is merely my opinion.

    @Peter, I wrote to Marilyn the same, probably nothing more until near the 23rd October.

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    Peter Says:

    @ Eugene

    The embargo on photos of SM can only have been imposed by his family. European privacy legislation including the rights to images of oneself has been largely harmonized, it is pretty much the same across the EU. There are only two relevant rights-holders: the individual shown in the photo (or, if he or she be dead, the surviving spouse or common-law spouse and children, for a duration of ten years after the date of death) and the copyright holder who created the photo, drawing, painting or other visual representation. For publication of such a photo, the consent of both rights-holders is required.

    The police enjoy an exception: they may publish such photos without the surviving relatives’ consent, for law-enforcement purposes. They cannot, however, prevent anybody who is otherwise legally entitled to do so from publishing photos. They can ask nicely, of course, and most journalists and so forth who are interested in maintaining a good working relationship with the police would accede to such a request, but they can’t “embargo” such photos.

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    Marilyn Z. Tomlins Says:

    @Eugene

    Maybe it is just experience which guides editors in what they can publish. I certainly have not heard of any embargo on this particular case. Maybe SM’s friends and colleagues do not want to upset those who have been touched by his murder and are therefore not giving photos of him to the media.

    @All

    I tend to think that the investigators (French and British) are really working all out on this case and that they of course can’t tell us about every move they make and take.

    I also tend to lean again towards Saad Al-Hilli as the target.

    Domestic dramas are quickly solved and the French are not idiots (or are they?) and had SM been the target because of some love problem the guilty protagonists would have been broken down very easily and a long time ago.

    Those involved with professional killers and killings are very cunning in what they think up. So, Saad Al-Hilli might have been under surveillance by his killers, or those who had hired them, from the time he arrived in France. Even before that and back in the UK. And he had to be killed while in France and driving off to such an isolated place might have given them the perfect place for a killing.

    No one here on the blog has as yet pointed out (I think) that there has not been an official indictment made yet against X (as in person or persons unknown). For this reason there has not been a court hearing.The day we hear that there is to be a preliminary court hearing we will know that the investigators are on to something or someone.

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